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    Obamacare enrollment numbers shrinking

    Seems like the original numbers are worse than advertised, or expected. No surprise there. The only real surprise is the White House doesn't seem to care.

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014...cmp=latestnews

    President Obamaís claim last spring that 8 million people had enrolled in ObamaCare recently got a significant downgrade from the head of the agency overseeing the plan.

    Marilyn Tavenner, administrator of the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services, told a congressional committee that "as of August 15, this year, we have 7.3 million Americans enrolled in Health Insurance Marketplace coverage and these are individuals who paid their premiums."

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    The only real downgrading I see is the Republicans' desperate criticisms against the ACA. All of their doom and gloom predictions have so far failed to come true. So now they have to try making hay with this. Fact is the law met its 7 million goal. It would have been nice to get 8 million, but it still met its goal nonetheless.

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    I thought the goal was to get everyone insured and covered?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigBlueNole
    I thought the goal was to get everyone insured and covered?
    Then we should have gone with single payer. Obamacare was never designed to achieve universal coverage. And as long as we have people arguing that healthcare is not a right, we will never achieve universal coverage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Huey Grey
    Quote Originally Posted by BigBlueNole
    I thought the goal was to get everyone insured and covered?
    Then we should have gone with single payer. Obamacare was never designed to achieve universal coverage. And as long as we have people arguing that healthcare is not a right, we will never achieve universal coverage.

    Its hilarious that you think single payer is the way to go.
    Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities.


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    Re: Obamacare enrollment numbers shrinking

    Single Payer is against everything AMERICA STANDS FOR.


    What some straight up dumbasses....

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    Yeah, liberals hate monopolies unless it's the government doing the monopolizing....

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    From the experience of only the rest of the entire f..ing developed world, the most effective way to keep medical costs down is to have a very large buyer negotiate and/or dictate pricing - the government. The rest of the entire f..ing developed world does this and on average spend 60% of what we do, while also achieving universal coverage, similar health stats, and similar patient satisfaction results.

    This ain't rocket science.

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    Its also too much tax burden on the citizens of those countries. I want the government out of my pocket, not deeper into it. Some are just clueless to that fact.
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    And the rest of the entire f...ing world depends on medical innovations that are discovered/developed in our country because it's not cost-effective to spend all that R&D money where the government tries to dictate the market. Wanna slow medical innovation? Regulating profit is the way to do that.

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    We are the entire f..ing developed world, No other country is as Developed.... there is no country BETTER than America...if you think there is,...GTFO and move there...

    Quit using this narrative.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wordjazz
    From the experience of only the rest of the entire f..ing developed world, the most effective way to keep medical costs down is to have a very large buyer negotiate and/or dictate pricing - the government. The rest of the entire f..ing developed world does this and on average spend 60% of what we do, while also achieving universal coverage, similar health stats, and similar patient satisfaction results.

    This ain't rocket science.

    The rest of the world doesn't spend the money required to educate competent doctors or the standard of living to go with it either.

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    The US can't afford to carry the rest of the world's military costs AND medical costs. If we eliminate Medicare and Medicaid from the budget, we don't have a long term federal budget problem, and the same could be said for many of us as individuals about rising medical costs. WE CAN'T AFFORD IT!

    Historically we have produced about 1/2 of medical innovation, yet European markets usually see new technologies first, and a recent study by Price Waterhouse predicts China and India will overtake us soon in innovation. Much of our innovation comes from government funded research at places like UF's med school - not sure of FSU's - with funding by the NIH. That is funding is regularly being cut back by know-nothing tea partiers like ya'll.

    http://www.policymed.com/2011/01/pwc-me ... rship.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by wordjazz
    The US can't afford to carry the rest of the world's military costs AND medical costs. If we eliminate Medicare and Medicaid from the budget, we don't have a long term federal budget problem, and the same could be said for many of us as individuals about rising medical costs. WE CAN'T AFFORD IT!

    Historically we have produced about 1/2 of medical innovation, yet European markets usually see new technologies first, and a recent study by Price Waterhouse predicts China and India will overtake us soon in innovation. Much of our innovation comes from government funded research at places like UF's med school - not sure of FSU's - with funding by the NIH. That is funding is regularly being cut back by know-nothing tea partiers like ya'll.

    http://www.policymed.com/2011/01/pwc-me ... rship.html



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    Itís a threat deeply rooted in the American psyche, placed there sometime between Thomas Edison and Sputnik: the idea that weíre losing our scientific and technological edge over the rest of the world. Intel founder Andy Grove said it in 2003; Time Magazine said it in 2006; former Lockheed Martin chief executive Norm Augustine said it this year. Hardly a month goes by that we donít hear that weíre losing this edge or that, falling behind in one way or another. Is it true? And if it is, why havenít we fallen behind yet?

    To delve into this a little bit, I decided to go to SciVal Analytics, a consulting group at the giant publisher Elsevier that has access to a database called Scopus, which contains more than 18,000 scientific journals ó just about the entire scientific publishing universe. They ran three analyses for me: which countries produce the most publications in biology and medicine, which are tops in information technology, and which do the most in clean technology. Iím publishing the biology and medicine data today.

    Of almost 3,000 articles published in biomedical research in 2009, 1,169, or 40%, came from the United States. As the line graph below demonstrates (thatís the number of publications on the Y axis, and the year of publication on the X axis), the output of every other single country in the world is dwarfed by what America produces. The closest contender is Great Britain, which comes in at about 300 articles.



    But arenít the other countries catching up? Actually, the number of publications from the U.S. is grew about 7% between 2005 and 2009, which is a little above average. Itís true that countries like South Korea (annualized growth: 32%), China (26%), and Ireland (22%) are growing a lot faster, but they are also starting from a smaller base.

    Itís certainly possible that the U.S. is publishing entirely low quality data, but another data point, the citation score, seems to indicate that isnít true. The citation score is the number of times an average paper was referenced by other scientific papers. In the graph below, the Y axis is the citation score and the X axis is the number of publications in total. The U.S. doesnít come through with flying colors Ė Switzerland and the Netherlands score higher on citation score Ė but thatís probably partly because it publishes so much more than other countries, with volume tending to bring down the average.



    Another interesting stat: not only is the U.S. producing more research, it is producing a greater share of those publications with other countries. The bar chart below shows how many of the total papers produced over a five-year period involved co-authorship between different countries (for instance, between the U.S. and China, or Japan and Germany). Papers published by U.S. researchers were much more likely to have had foreign co-authors, which the SciVal analysts think means that the U.S. is more collaborative as well as being a bigger research force.



    So when it comes to biology and medicine, U.S. researchers are publishing more than those in other countries. And this probably shouldnít come as much of a shock. You can see the effect of the U.S. dominance in biology and medicine in the behavior of big drug companies. Novartis, a Basel, Switzerland-based drug giant, nonetheless chose to place its research headquarters in Cambridge, Mass., near Harvard and MIT, and to put a Harvard doctor and biologist, Mark Fishman, in charge of R&D. Sanofi-Aventis gives nearness to the U.S. research hubs as one of the reasons behind its pending purchase of Genzyme, the U.S. biotechnology giant.

    And pushes to establish other countries as research challengers to the U.S. in medicine have often proceeded with fits and starts. For a while, it appeared that South Korea was making a go of it when it came to stem cells and cloning, but then it turned out that one of its leading researchers, Hwang Woo Suk, had faked results. There is a big movement to move some drug research to China ó Pfizer just moved its antibiotic research to Shanghai ó but the bulk of the work is still very much U.S.-centered. There may be threats to Americaís position in biomedicine, but at best they are hoof beats in the distance, not imminent dangers.

    http://www.forbes.com/sites/matthewherp ... -medicine/

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    Reality is a place someone should buy a ticket for Jfrent to visit

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    Why? He'd sell it for a cheaper seat to Stutopia.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NoleGrad83
    Quote Originally Posted by Huey Grey
    Quote Originally Posted by BigBlueNole
    I thought the goal was to get everyone insured and covered?
    Then we should have gone with single payer. Obamacare was never designed to achieve universal coverage. And as long as we have people arguing that healthcare is not a right, we will never achieve universal coverage.

    Its hilarious that you think single payer is the way to go.
    It's sad he thinks health care is a right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wordjazz
    From the experience of only the rest of the entire f..ing developed world, the most effective way to keep medical costs down is to have a very large buyer negotiate and/or dictate pricing - the government. The rest of the entire f..ing developed world does this and on average spend 60% of what we do, while also achieving universal coverage, similar health stats, and similar patient satisfaction results.

    This ain't rocket science.
    This is what is truly frustrating about this whole thing. The rest of the developed world has proven that universal coverage is attainable. Yet we're so stubborn in this country that we think it isn't. The blueprints already exist. All we have to do is use them.

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