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    The Hillary Letters

    The Hillary Letters
    Hillary Clinton, Saul Alinsky correspondence revealed


    NOTE: READ THE HILLARY CLINTON-SAUL ALINSKY LETTERS HERE. http://www.scribd.com/doc/240077031/The-Hillary-Letters

    Previously unpublished correspondence between Hillary Clinton and the late left-wing organizer Saul Alinsky reveals new details about her relationship with the controversial Chicago activist and shed light on her early ideological development.

    Clinton met with Alinsky several times in 1968 while writing a Wellesley college thesis about his theory of community organizing.

    Clinton’s relationship with Alinsky, and her support for his philosophy, continued for several years after she entered Yale law school in 1969, two letters obtained by the Washington Free Beacon show.

    The letters obtained by the Free Beacon are part of the archives for the Industrial Areas Foundation, a training center for community organizers founded by Alinsky, which are housed at the University of Texas at Austin.

    The letters also suggest that Alinsky, who died in 1972, had a deeper influence on Clinton’s early political views than previously known.

    A 23-year-old Hillary Clinton was living in Berkeley, California, in the summer of 1971. She was interning at the left-wing law firm Treuhaft, Walker and Burnstein, known for its radical politics and a client roster that included Black Panthers and other militants.

    On July 8, 1971, Clinton reached out to Alinsky, then 62, in a letter sent via airmail, paid for with stamps featuring Franklin Delano Roosevelt, and marked “Personal.”

    “Dear Saul,” she began. “When is that new book [Rules for Radicals] coming out—or has it come and I somehow missed the fulfillment of Revelation?”

    “I have just had my one-thousandth conversation about Reveille [for Radicals] and need some new material to throw at people,” she added, a reference to Alinsky’s 1946 book on his theories of community organizing.

    Clinton devoted just one paragraph in her memoir Living History to Alinsky, writing that she rejected a job offer from him in 1969 in favor of going to law school. She wrote that she wanted to follow a more conventional path.

    However, in the 1971 letter, Clinton assured Alinsky that she had “survived law school, slightly bruised, with my belief in and zest for organizing intact.”

    “The more I’ve seen of places like Yale Law School and the people who haunt them, the more convinced I am that we have the serious business and joy of much work ahead—if the commitment to a free and open society is ever going to mean more than eloquence and frustration,” wrote Clinton.

    According to the letter, Clinton and Alinsky had kept in touch since she entered Yale. The 62-year-old radical had reached out to give her advice on campus activism.

    “If I never thanked you for the encouraging words of last spring in the midst of the Yale-Cambodia madness, I do so now,” wrote Clinton, who had moderated a campus election to join an anti-war student strike.

    She added that she missed their regular conversations, and asked if Alinsky would be able to meet her the next time he was in California.

    “I am living in Berkeley and working in Oakland for the summer and would love to see you,” Clinton wrote. “Let me know if there is any chance of our getting together.”

    Clinton’s letter reached Alinsky’s office while he was on an extended trip to Southeast Asia, where he was helping train community organizers in the Philippines.

    But a response letter from Alinsky’s secretary suggests that the radical organizer had a deep fondness for Clinton as well.

    “Since I know [Alinsky’s] feelings about you I took the liberty of opening your letter because I didn’t want something urgent to wait for two weeks,” Alinsky’s long-time secretary, Georgia Harper, wrote to Clinton in a July 13, 1971 letter. “And I’m glad I did.”

    Harper told Clinton that Alinksy’s book Rules for Radicals had been released. She enclosed several reviews of the book.

    “Mr. Alinsky will be in San Francisco, staying at the Hilton Inn at the airport on Monday and Tuesday, July 26 and 27,” Harper added. “I know he would like to have you call him so that if there is a chance in his schedule maybe you can get together.”

    It is unclear whether the meeting occurred.

    A self-proclaimed radical, Alinsky advocated guerilla tactics and civil disobedience to correct what he saw as an institutionalized power gap in poor communities. His philosophy divided the world into “haves”—middle class and wealthy people —and “have nots”—the poor. He took an ends-justify-the-means approach to power and wealth redistribution, and developed the theoretical basis of “community organizing.”

    “The Prince was written by Machiavelli for the Haves on how to hold power,” wrote Alinsky in his 1971 book. “Rules for Radicals is written for the Have-Nots on how to take it away.”

    Clinton’s connection to Alinsky has been the subject of speculation for decades. It became controversial when Wellsley College, by request of the Clinton White House, sealed her 1968 thesis from the public for years. Conservative lawyer Barbara Olson said Clinton had asked for the thesis to be sealed because it showed “the extent to which she internalized and assimilated the beliefs and methods of Saul Alinsky.” Clinton opponent turned Clinton defender David Brock referred to her as “Alinsky’s daughter” in 1996?s The Seduction of Hillary Rodham.

    The paper was opened to the public in 2001. While the thesis is largely sympathetic to Alinsky, it is also critical of some of his tactics.

    Clinton described the organizer as “a man of exceptional charm,” but also objected to some of the conflicts he provoked as “unrealistic,” noting that his model could be difficult for others to replicate.

    “Many of the Alinsky-inspired poverty warriors could not (discounting political reasons) move beyond the cathartic first step of organizing groups ‘to oppose, complain, demonstrate, and boycott’ to developing and running a program,” she wrote.

    The letters obtained by the Free Beacon suggest that Clinton experimented more with radical politics during her law school years than she has publicly acknowledged.

    In Living History, she describes her views during that time as far more pragmatic than leftwing.

    She “agreed with some of Alinsky’s ideas,” Clinton wrote in her first memoir, but the two had a “fundamental disagreement” over his anti-establishment tactics.

    She described how this disagreement led to her parting ways with Alinsky in the summer before law school in 1969.

    “He offered me the chance to work with him when I graduated from college, and he was disappointed that I decided instead to go to law school,” she wrote.

    “Alinsky said I would be wasting my time, but my decision was an expression of my belief that the system could be changed from within.”

    A request for comment from the Clinton team was not returned.

    The letters between Clinton and Alinsky can be read here:

    http://freebeacon.com/politics/the-hillary-letters/

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    This will be whitewashed by the media that wants to see her elected president. No big deal.

    Or, in her words, "What does it matter now?"
    Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities.


    Voltaire (1694 - 1778)

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    What does it matter? What was so horrible about Alinsky? He was a community organizer? And apparently very good at it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheOne
    What does it matter? What was so horrible about Alinsky? He was a community organizer? And apparently very good at it?
    Some of us don't like the continuing trend towards tyranny, although it probably isn't as many as you might originally think.
    I am going to tear down your safe space
    Brick by brick I shall smash it with glee
    You cannot stop me from getting inside
    I am cold and I am hard and my name is 'Reality'

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    Re: The Hillary Letters

    Communist Bastard....period....

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    Quote Originally Posted by NoleSoup4U
    Quote Originally Posted by TheOne
    What does it matter? What was so horrible about Alinsky? He was a community organizer? And apparently very good at it?
    Some of us don't like the continuing trend towards tyranny, although it probably isn't as many as you might originally think.

    What do Hillary's exchanges with Alinsky have to do with a perceived "trend towards tyranny"?

    Guck, what makes you think he was a communist?

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheOne
    Quote Originally Posted by NoleSoup4U
    Quote Originally Posted by TheOne
    What does it matter? What was so horrible about Alinsky? He was a community organizer? And apparently very good at it?
    Some of us don't like the continuing trend towards tyranny, although it probably isn't as many as you might originally think.

    What do Hillary's exchanges with Alinsky have to do with a perceived "trend towards tyranny"?

    Guck, what makes you think he was a communist?
    He was interested in power, and the consolidation of that power. That generally doesn't lend itself to liberties. I can't speak for Guck, but I don't know if he was a Communist (nor do I really care) or not. I do believe he would have used the communist route if given a chance to act upon his quest for power. It seems to fit his MO pertaining to the "have-nots".
    I am going to tear down your safe space
    Brick by brick I shall smash it with glee
    You cannot stop me from getting inside
    I am cold and I am hard and my name is 'Reality'

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    What's ironic about this story is that Alinsky taught America how to "fight the establishment" and today, Hillary IS the establishment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Guckster
    [b][size=200]The Hillary Letters

    The letters also suggest that Alinsky, who died in 1972, had a deeper influence on Clinton’s early political views than previously known.
    Funny that. We know that Mitt Romney once cut another kids hair as a boy, and that his family put their dog on the car roof. But for almost 25 years the press has somehow missed this pretty significant little insight into Clinton.

    I wonder how that happened? Must have been the jet lag from all the reporters who descended upon Wasilla to dig through garbage cans. They must have been too tired over these two decades to bother looking.....
    Just a puppy kicking, children starving, grandma shoving, kitten throwing, evil, vile, nasty, disgusting, racist, sexist, bigot.....or so I've been told. :)

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    Quote Originally Posted by NoleSoup4U
    Quote Originally Posted by TheOne
    Quote Originally Posted by NoleSoup4U
    Quote Originally Posted by TheOne
    What does it matter? What was so horrible about Alinsky? He was a community organizer? And apparently very good at it?
    Some of us don't like the continuing trend towards tyranny, although it probably isn't as many as you might originally think.

    What do Hillary's exchanges with Alinsky have to do with a perceived "trend towards tyranny"?

    Guck, what makes you think he was a communist?
    He was interested in power, and the consolidation of that power. That generally doesn't lend itself to liberties. I can't speak for Guck, but I don't know if he was a Communist (nor do I really care) or not. I do believe he would have used the communist route if given a chance to act upon his quest for power. It seems to fit his MO pertaining to the "have-nots".

    He felt that the poorest of the poor, if they were to improve their situation, needed to organize.


    I just don't get the knee-jerk reaction conservatives have to this name. So Hillary, a known liberal in her 60s was attracted to Alinsky as a 23 year old BERKLEY liberal in the 1960s. Why are we supposed to be horrified or surprised that they exchanged letters?

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheOne
    Quote Originally Posted by NoleSoup4U
    Quote Originally Posted by TheOne
    Quote Originally Posted by NoleSoup4U
    Quote Originally Posted by TheOne
    What does it matter? What was so horrible about Alinsky? He was a community organizer? And apparently very good at it?
    Some of us don't like the continuing trend towards tyranny, although it probably isn't as many as you might originally think.

    What do Hillary's exchanges with Alinsky have to do with a perceived "trend towards tyranny"?

    Guck, what makes you think he was a communist?
    He was interested in power, and the consolidation of that power. That generally doesn't lend itself to liberties. I can't speak for Guck, but I don't know if he was a Communist (nor do I really care) or not. I do believe he would have used the communist route if given a chance to act upon his quest for power. It seems to fit his MO pertaining to the "have-nots".

    He felt that the poorest of the poor, if they were to improve their situation, needed to organize.


    I just don't get the knee-jerk reaction conservatives have to this name. So Hillary, a known liberal in her 60s was attracted to Alinsky as a 23 year old BERKLEY liberal in the 1960s. Why are we supposed to be horrified or surprised that they exchanged letters?
    You act as though what he was doing was magnanimous, I don't believe that for one second. It doesn't surprise or horrify me that they exchanged letters. It does concern me, but no more than her views do. She is a perfect example of why Alinsky's motivations weren't really for the have-nots.
    I am going to tear down your safe space
    Brick by brick I shall smash it with glee
    You cannot stop me from getting inside
    I am cold and I am hard and my name is 'Reality'

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    Alinsky dedicated his book.... to LUCIFER

    Lucifer - The Mentor of Saul Alinsky and the American Left



    Does the title to this post seem over the top and radically charged to you? Well my friend, it isn't. As a matter of fact, it is right on in light of the current agenda of President Obama and his secular administration. President Obama and many on the Left have made no small qualms about being disciples of Saul Alinsky and applying his tactics in their ever-growing quest for power and control .
    .
    A great many Leftists in America today follow the radical teachings of their mentor Saul Alinsky - including Obama. Little do they know that they are following in the very footprints of Alinsky's mentor and master, Lucifer (John 8:44).

    Rules for Radicals is a book by Saul Alinsky which is dedicated to the original radical, Lucifer - also known as Satan, the Devil, The Old Serpent, and The Dragon (Rev. 12:2; 20:2). All other dinky despots have their roots in this arch-villain. In this book is found the following:
    .
    Lest we forget at least an over-the-shoulder acknowledgment to the very first radical: from all our legends, mythology, and history (and who is to know where mythology leaves off and history begins — or which is which), the first radical known to man who rebelled against the establishment and did it so effectively that he at least won his own kingdom — Lucifer.

    Full Article here...

    http://www.theignorantfishermen.com/...ell-oiled.html

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    Dang, they're unto us!

    Curses!

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    Quote Originally Posted by wordjazz
    Dang, they're unto us!

    Curses!

    We have been onto you,.... for a While.

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    My perspective is the same as TheOne's: why is this a big deal? Why should I or anybody else care about this? Hillary has always been a progressive liberal; that's why a lot of us like her.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UCLA
    My perspective is the same as TheOne's: why is this a big deal? Why should I or anybody else care about this? Hillary has always been a progressive liberal; that's why a lot of us like her.
    My thought exactly...minus the last part.
    To quote Denny Green...
    The Bears (Hillary) are what we thought they were. Th-they're what we thought they were... the Bears (Hilary) are who we thought they were! That’s why we took the damn field! Now, *hits microphone* if you want to crown them (Hilary), then crown their ass! But, they are who we thought they were, and we let them off the hook!
    For the left the cause is always more important than the people who suffer for it.

    The bigger fool than the fellow who knows it all is the one who'll argue with him.

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    The press didn't report it because no one cares. Nor should anyone care.

    But I get it - when looking down the barrel of another liberal in the White House and losing the White House 5 of the past 7 elections and with the demographics getting worse by the second the right wing nuts have to TRY to make a nuclear event out of anything ANYTHING in Hillary's past that perhaps, maybe, possibly will convince a few voters not to pull the lever for her.

    We are more than 2 years away from the election and the desperation on the right is already in high gear.

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    You can find copies Rules for Radicals being passed out for free at just about any Tea Party gathering of note. Politicians, businessmen, and organizers alike have read it since it was first published. But naturally if Hillary was interested in what he said then AAAAHHH, COMMUNIST!!!!!
    You shut your mouth when you're talking to me!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tribe92
    You can find copies Rules for Radicals being passed out for free at just about any Tea Party gathering of note. Politicians, businessmen, and organizers alike have read it since it was first published. But naturally if Hillary was interested in what he said then AAAAHHH, COMMUNIST!!!!!

    Very true. They have moved on to "if you cannot beat them then steal their tactics."

    The problem is that conservatives have a deep seated suspicion of collective action. This includes organizing themselves.

    It's funny watching them trying to implement collective ideas that completely cut against what they believe and how they want to behave.

    But when faced with repeated political defeats and looking at long term political marginalization I guess they'll try anything.

    They have "lost" America and they know it.

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    LOL At the Extremist on this board, poo pooing all away like it is nothing


    Wait till that ole Dollar collapses,...and Brookie's World disintegrates right in front of his eyes

    Socialism/Liberalism Will have been the cause, and will be thrown upon the trash heap of history.

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