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    ISIS and Free Syrian army coalition

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/09/1 ... lp00000592

    So, the JV team has now built a coalition to take down Assad in Syria, while THE O cannot even build a coalition of legitimate ME governments to take out ISIS. It looks as if the JV team has more foreign policy skills in their little toe than Obama has in his whole body. The adage of " the enemy of my enemy is my friend" just got played out again in the Middle East.

    From the article:

    As the United States begins to deepen ties with moderate Syrian rebels to combat the extremist group ISIS, also known as the Islamic State, a key component of its coalition appears to have struck a non-aggression pact with the group.

    So, are we now friends with ISIS since ISIS is an ally of the moderate Free Syrian army? Can we attack ISIS in Syria and not distance ourselves from the Free Syrian army? You know this will end up where FSA and the ISIS are embedded together on an op and we hit ISIS forces not knowing that they were mixed with FSA and then the FSA turns on us as well. It's GONNA happen. Neither wears a uniform that is distinguishable and both blend into the civilian populace.

    Can you say cluster**** of epic style?

  2. #2

    Re: ISIS and Free Syrian army coalition

    That imaginary red line just keeps coming back to bite Obummer.

  3. #3

    Re: ISIS and Free Syrian army coalition

    Try to camouflage your glee. It's a little unseemly if not traitorous.

    As if this was not always the problem with aiding any of n the rebel groups in Syria.

  4. #4

    Re: ISIS and Free Syrian army coalition

    Quote Originally Posted by wordjazz
    Try to camouflage your glee. It's a little unseemly if not traitorous.

    As if this was not always the problem with aiding any of n the rebel groups in Syria.
    Traitorous? Give it a rest and get off Obama's jock. Even an undergradate poli sci major could do better. Being able to dissent about what is wrong with the government is my right. Put the bong down. That's the card (along with the race card) that gets thrown out when his inadequacies are posted front and center.

    The JV team is winning this battle right now and it looks like a rout. Obama's strategy is all wrong. Every government or organization runs off of cogs (centers of gravity) from which it draws its abilities to operate. Dropping bombs from F-16, F-18, and drone aircraft isn't going to get this done. Killing Bakr al Baghdadi won't end it either. The entire structure of the organization must be attacked and destroyed at the point of taking out those people who get stuff done. McChrystal was on TV yesterday talking about this....yeah the same general who pointed out Obama's shortcomings and lack of vision in Astan. Sure, he had to resign, but the American public got an earful and eyeful of how incompetent this guy is in the area of FP.

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    Re: ISIS and Free Syrian army coalition

    Quote Originally Posted by Pacedog
    Quote Originally Posted by wordjazz
    Try to camouflage your glee. It's a little unseemly if not traitorous.

    As if this was not always the problem with aiding any of n the rebel groups in Syria.
    Traitorous? Give it a rest and get off Obama's jock. Even an undergradate poli sci major could do better. Being able to dissent about what is wrong with the government is my right. Put the bong down. That's the card (along with the race card) that gets thrown out when his inadequacies are posted front and center.

    The JV team is winning this battle right now and it looks like a rout. Obama's strategy is all wrong. Every government or organization runs off of cogs (centers of gravity) from which it draws its abilities to operate. Dropping bombs from F-16, F-18, and drone aircraft isn't going to get this done. Killing Bakr al Baghdadi won't end it either. The entire structure of the organization must be attacked and destroyed at the point of taking out those people who get stuff done. McChrystal was on TV yesterday talking about this....yeah the same general who pointed out Obama's shortcomings and lack of vision in Astan. Sure, he had to resign, but the American public got an earful and eyeful of how incompetent this guy is in the area of FP.
    Last I looked your team ISIS is stymied and in retreat since Obama announced our bombing campaign. Your hoped for results haven't materialized yet so hold up on the celebration. Judging from Obama's persistence in killing of other terrorists, I like our sides odds.

    "As Commander-in-Chief, my highest priority is the security of the American people. Over the last several years, we have consistently taken the fight to terrorists who threaten our country. We took out Osama bin Laden and much of al Qaeda’s leadership in Afghanistan and Pakistan. We’ve targeted al Qaeda’s affiliate in Yemen, and recently eliminated the top commander of its affiliate in Somalia. We’ve done so while bringing more than 140,000 American troops home from Iraq, and drawing down our forces in Afghanistan, where our combat mission will end later this year. Thanks to our military and counterterrorism professionals, America is safer."

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    Re: ISIS and Free Syrian army coalition

    Sorry, Jazz... but you're a hopeless Obama homer.

  7. #7

    Re: ISIS and Free Syrian army coalition

    Quote Originally Posted by The Tradition
    Sorry, Jazz... but you're a hopeless Obama homer.
    You're a hopeless hater who is also obsessed with the president, starting thread after thread including nonsense even about public relations and all involved with your non-stop *****ing no matter how stupid the subject. Pace yourself. It'll be a long 2 years. In the meantime, if you want to discuss facts and options in the real world, bring it.

  8. #8

    Re: ISIS and Free Syrian army coalition

    Quote Originally Posted by wordjazz
    Quote Originally Posted by The Tradition
    Sorry, Jazz... but you're a hopeless Obama homer.
    You're a hopeless hater who is also obsessed with the president, starting thread after thread including nonsense even about public relations and all involved with your non-stop *****ing no matter how stupid the subject. Pace yourself. It'll be a long 2 years. In the meantime, if you want to discuss facts and options in the real world, bring it.

    You didn't handle the truth very well when it was presented earlier in the thread. Maybe when you decide to rationally discuss his article you can join in the conversation.
    Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities.


    Voltaire (1694 - 1778)

  9. #9

    Re: ISIS and Free Syrian army coalition

    Quote Originally Posted by The Tradition
    Sorry, Jazz... but you're a hopeless Obama homer.

    Liberals,,,,,,legends in their own minds.....

    Didn't Obama say we had AlQaeda on the run just a couple of years back???

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    Re: ISIS and Free Syrian army coalition

    Quote Originally Posted by wordjazz
    Quote Originally Posted by Pacedog
    Quote Originally Posted by wordjazz
    Try to camouflage your glee. It's a little unseemly if not traitorous.

    As if this was not always the problem with aiding any of n the rebel groups in Syria.
    Traitorous? Give it a rest and get off Obama's jock. Even an undergradate poli sci major could do better. Being able to dissent about what is wrong with the government is my right. Put the bong down. That's the card (along with the race card) that gets thrown out when his inadequacies are posted front and center.

    The JV team is winning this battle right now and it looks like a rout. Obama's strategy is all wrong. Every government or organization runs off of cogs (centers of gravity) from which it draws its abilities to operate. Dropping bombs from F-16, F-18, and drone aircraft isn't going to get this done. Killing Bakr al Baghdadi won't end it either. The entire structure of the organization must be attacked and destroyed at the point of taking out those people who get stuff done. McChrystal was on TV yesterday talking about this....yeah the same general who pointed out Obama's shortcomings and lack of vision in Astan. Sure, he had to resign, but the American public got an earful and eyeful of how incompetent this guy is in the area of FP.
    Last I looked your team ISIS is stymied and in retreat since Obama announced our bombing campaign. Your hoped for results haven't materialized yet so hold up on the celebration. Judging from Obama's persistence in killing of other terrorists, I like our sides odds.

    "As Commander-in-Chief, my highest priority is the security of the American people. Over the last several years, we have consistently taken the fight to terrorists who threaten our country. We took out Osama bin Laden and much of al Qaeda’s leadership in Afghanistan and Pakistan. We’ve targeted al Qaeda’s affiliate in Yemen, and recently eliminated the top commander of its affiliate in Somalia. We’ve done so while bringing more than 140,000 American troops home from Iraq, and drawing down our forces in Afghanistan, where our combat mission will end later this year. Thanks to our military and counterterrorism professionals, America is safer."
    Yeah, they are in full retreat alright. :roll:
    The beheaded someone else yesterday. They also dispersed all hostages after The One announced wtf we tried to do.

  11. #11

    Re: ISIS and Free Syrian army coalition

    Quote Originally Posted by Pacedog
    Quote Originally Posted by The Tradition
    Sorry, Jazz... but you're a hopeless Obama homer.

    Liberals,,,,,,legends in their own minds.....

    Didn't Obama say we had AlQaeda on the run just a couple of years back???
    Yes, he did say that in 2012 and the original AQ was on the run and it's leadership in Pakistan decimated because of his policies- announced in the 2008 presidential campaign and fulfilled. New versions have resurfaced in North Africa and now Syria and Iraq as ISIL. What do you suggest we do about it, beyond his policies? They continue to be pursuing and droning in N Africa and now bombing in Syria and Iraq.

    This summary from the time of the 2012 election, when Obama made that claim, is fair and thorough. It concludes:

    "Al Qaeda's core leadership has been seriously weakened, but the affiliates remain active, particularly in Yemen and North Africa, where the threat to Western interests and plotting against the homeland remain strong.

    Romney's claim that al Qaeda is in 10 to 12 countries is in the ballpark, and the administration would seem to agree that poses an enormous threat."

    http://www.cnn.com/2012/10/22/politics/ ... -al-qaeda/

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    Re: ISIS and Free Syrian army coalition

    Quote Originally Posted by Nifster
    Quote Originally Posted by wordjazz
    Quote Originally Posted by Pacedog
    Quote Originally Posted by wordjazz
    Try to camouflage your glee. It's a little unseemly if not traitorous.

    As if this was not always the problem with aiding any of n the rebel groups in Syria.
    Traitorous? Give it a rest and get off Obama's jock. Even an undergradate poli sci major could do better. Being able to dissent about what is wrong with the government is my right. Put the bong down. That's the card (along with the race card) that gets thrown out when his inadequacies are posted front and center.

    The JV team is winning this battle right now and it looks like a rout. Obama's strategy is all wrong. Every government or organization runs off of cogs (centers of gravity) from which it draws its abilities to operate. Dropping bombs from F-16, F-18, and drone aircraft isn't going to get this done. Killing Bakr al Baghdadi won't end it either. The entire structure of the organization must be attacked and destroyed at the point of taking out those people who get stuff done. McChrystal was on TV yesterday talking about this....yeah the same general who pointed out Obama's shortcomings and lack of vision in Astan. Sure, he had to resign, but the American public got an earful and eyeful of how incompetent this guy is in the area of FP.
    Last I looked your team ISIS is stymied and in retreat since Obama announced our bombing campaign. Your hoped for results haven't materialized yet so hold up on the celebration. Judging from Obama's persistence in killing of other terrorists, I like our sides odds.

    "As Commander-in-Chief, my highest priority is the security of the American people. Over the last several years, we have consistently taken the fight to terrorists who threaten our country. We took out Osama bin Laden and much of al Qaeda’s leadership in Afghanistan and Pakistan. We’ve targeted al Qaeda’s affiliate in Yemen, and recently eliminated the top commander of its affiliate in Somalia. We’ve done so while bringing more than 140,000 American troops home from Iraq, and drawing down our forces in Afghanistan, where our combat mission will end later this year. Thanks to our military and counterterrorism professionals, America is safer."
    Yeah, they are in full retreat alright. :roll:
    The beheaded someone else yesterday. They also dispersed all hostages after The One announced wtf we tried to do.
    What do you suggest as a solution to this international problem?

  13. #13

    Re: ISIS and Free Syrian army coalition

    Quote Originally Posted by wordjazz
    Quote Originally Posted by Pacedog
    Quote Originally Posted by The Tradition
    Sorry, Jazz... but you're a hopeless Obama homer.

    Liberals,,,,,,legends in their own minds.....

    Didn't Obama say we had AlQaeda on the run just a couple of years back???
    Yes, he did say that in 2012 and the original AQ was on the run and it's leadership in Pakistan decimated because of his policies- announced in the 2008 presidential campaign and fulfilled. New versions have resurfaced in North Africa and now Syria and Iraq as ISIL. What do you suggest we do about it, beyond his policies? They continue to be pursuing and droning in N Africa and now bombing in Syria and Iraq.

    This summary from the time of the 2012 election, when Obama made that claim, is fair and thorough. It concludes:

    "Al Qaeda's core leadership has been seriously weakened, but the affiliates remain active, particularly in Yemen and North Africa, where the threat to Western interests and plotting against the homeland remain strong.

    Romney's claim that al Qaeda is in 10 to 12 countries is in the ballpark, and the administration would seem to agree that poses an enormous threat."

    http://www.cnn.com/2012/10/22/politics/ ... -al-qaeda/

    Dude, there is no NEW version of Al Qaeda. ISIS came out of Al Qaeda too and if he didn't have his head up his ass and would listen to his advisors, ISIS would not be existent today. Key words on his statement that shows he has no clue, "Al Qaeda's core leadership has been seriously weakened, but the affiliates remain active". You don't claim victory when the enemy still has the will and means to fight. Quit fighting for the TIE! This whole idea of letting someone have dignity after you whip their hiney is wrong, wrong, wrong. We humiliated Germany and especially Japan in WW II and we have no closer allies in the world today than those countries.

    You defeat ISIS and others like them by hitting them at the core of the COGs (centers of gravity) that makes it impossible for them to ever be a player again. Remember Al Sadr and the Mahdi Army in Fallujah or are you old enough to remember that battle? The Marines systematically destroyed this organization to the point that their talking head, Imam Maqtadr Al Sadr is nothing but a blow hard mouthpiece now. Not only once did the Marines go this, but they did it twice in Fallujah, sweeping from one side to another, ensuring that all of the people that got stuff done for Sadr got a dirt nap. That is HOW you deal with terrorist organizations.

  14. #14

    Re: ISIS and Free Syrian army coalition

    Irony - provide guns to every living soul in the middle east, but try to take them from law abiding citizens in the US.

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    Re: ISIS and Free Syrian army coalition

    Quote Originally Posted by Pacedog
    Quote Originally Posted by wordjazz
    Quote Originally Posted by Pacedog
    Quote Originally Posted by The Tradition
    Sorry, Jazz... but you're a hopeless Obama homer.

    Liberals,,,,,,legends in their own minds.....

    Didn't Obama say we had AlQaeda on the run just a couple of years back???
    Yes, he did say that in 2012 and the original AQ was on the run and it's leadership in Pakistan decimated because of his policies- announced in the 2008 presidential campaign and fulfilled. New versions have resurfaced in North Africa and now Syria and Iraq as ISIL. What do you suggest we do about it, beyond his policies? They continue to be pursuing and droning in N Africa and now bombing in Syria and Iraq.

    This summary from the time of the 2012 election, when Obama made that claim, is fair and thorough. It concludes:

    "Al Qaeda's core leadership has been seriously weakened, but the affiliates remain active, particularly in Yemen and North Africa, where the threat to Western interests and plotting against the homeland remain strong.

    Romney's claim that al Qaeda is in 10 to 12 countries is in the ballpark, and the administration would seem to agree that poses an enormous threat."

    http://www.cnn.com/2012/10/22/politics/ ... -al-qaeda/

    Dude, there is no NEW version of Al Qaeda. ISIS came out of Al Qaeda too and if he didn't have his head up his ass and would listen to his advisors, ISIS would not be existent today. Key words on his statement that shows he has no clue, "Al Qaeda's core leadership has been seriously weakened, but the affiliates remain active". You don't claim victory when the enemy still has the will and means to fight. Quit fighting for the TIE! This whole idea of letting someone have dignity after you whip their hiney is wrong, wrong, wrong. We humiliated Germany and especially Japan in WW II and we have no closer allies in the world today than those countries.

    You defeat ISIS and others like them by hitting them at the core of the COGs (centers of gravity) that makes it impossible for them to ever be a player again. Remember Al Sadr and the Mahdi Army in Fallujah or are you old enough to remember that battle? The Marines systematically destroyed this organization to the point that their talking head, Imam Maqtadr Al Sadr is nothing but a blow hard mouthpiece now. Not only once did the Marines go this, but they did it twice in Fallujah, sweeping from one side to another, ensuring that all of the people that got stuff done for Sadr got a dirt nap. That is HOW you deal with terrorist organizations.

    So, not only do you assume that us sending more arms into Syria earlier would have worked out well - what could go wrong? - but now you want total war on the scale of WWII to solve the ISIL problem. Gee, even McCain isn't that nuts.

    How did that Fallujah thing work out for us again, I mean apart from us still having to feed baby food to the Iraqi army? Are you saying we should just stay there forever?

  16. #16

    Re: ISIS and Free Syrian army coalition

    Quote Originally Posted by wordjazz
    Quote Originally Posted by Pacedog
    Quote Originally Posted by wordjazz
    Quote Originally Posted by Pacedog
    Quote Originally Posted by The Tradition
    Sorry, Jazz... but you're a hopeless Obama homer.

    Liberals,,,,,,legends in their own minds.....

    Didn't Obama say we had AlQaeda on the run just a couple of years back???
    Yes, he did say that in 2012 and the original AQ was on the run and it's leadership in Pakistan decimated because of his policies- announced in the 2008 presidential campaign and fulfilled. New versions have resurfaced in North Africa and now Syria and Iraq as ISIL. What do you suggest we do about it, beyond his policies? They continue to be pursuing and droning in N Africa and now bombing in Syria and Iraq.

    This summary from the time of the 2012 election, when Obama made that claim, is fair and thorough. It concludes:

    "Al Qaeda's core leadership has been seriously weakened, but the affiliates remain active, particularly in Yemen and North Africa, where the threat to Western interests and plotting against the homeland remain strong.

    Romney's claim that al Qaeda is in 10 to 12 countries is in the ballpark, and the administration would seem to agree that poses an enormous threat."

    http://www.cnn.com/2012/10/22/politics/ ... -al-qaeda/

    Dude, there is no NEW version of Al Qaeda. ISIS came out of Al Qaeda too and if he didn't have his head up his ass and would listen to his advisors, ISIS would not be existent today. Key words on his statement that shows he has no clue, "Al Qaeda's core leadership has been seriously weakened, but the affiliates remain active". You don't claim victory when the enemy still has the will and means to fight. Quit fighting for the TIE! This whole idea of letting someone have dignity after you whip their hiney is wrong, wrong, wrong. We humiliated Germany and especially Japan in WW II and we have no closer allies in the world today than those countries.

    You defeat ISIS and others like them by hitting them at the core of the COGs (centers of gravity) that makes it impossible for them to ever be a player again. Remember Al Sadr and the Mahdi Army in Fallujah or are you old enough to remember that battle? The Marines systematically destroyed this organization to the point that their talking head, Imam Maqtadr Al Sadr is nothing but a blow hard mouthpiece now. Not only once did the Marines go this, but they did it twice in Fallujah, sweeping from one side to another, ensuring that all of the people that got stuff done for Sadr got a dirt nap. That is HOW you deal with terrorist organizations.

    So, not only do you assume that us sending more arms into Syria earlier would have worked out well - what could go wrong? - but now you want total war on the scale of WWII to solve the ISIL problem. Gee, even McCain isn't that nuts.

    How did that Fallujah thing work out for us again, I mean apart from us still having to feed baby food to the Iraqi army? Are you saying we should just stay there forever?

    You assume an put words into my mouth. NO we don't need a 12 million man army to defeat ISIS, just the intestinal fortitude to KILL until the KILLING is done. Fallujah worked out quite well. Ask the Iraqis in that area if the are interested in fighting the Marines again anytime soon. Stay forever? Well, we still have troops in Germany and no opposition there. We still have troops in Japan and no opposition there. What's your point? Obama cut and run based on a political ploy not effective tactics that he overruled his generals on. The job of training that army in Iraq was not done. Obama didn't care.

  17. #17

    Re: ISIS and Free Syrian army coalition

    Obama is an idiot who shouldn't even be in charge of a lemonade stand.

  18. #18

    Re: ISIS and Free Syrian army coalition

    [quote=Pacedog][quote=wordjazz][quote=Pacedog]
    Quote Originally Posted by wordjazz
    Quote Originally Posted by Pacedog
    Quote Originally Posted by The Tradition":2ww2yoi6]Sorry, Jazz... but you're a hopeless Obama homer.[/quote]


    Liberals,,,,,,legends in their own minds.....

    Didn't Obama say we had AlQaeda on the run just a couple of years back???[/quote]

    Yes, he did say that in 2012 and the original AQ was on the run and it's leadership in Pakistan decimated because of his policies- announced in the 2008 presidential campaign and fulfilled. New versions have resurfaced in North Africa and now Syria and Iraq as ISIL. What do you suggest we do about it, beyond his policies? They continue to be pursuing and droning in N Africa and now bombing in Syria and Iraq.

    This summary from the time of the 2012 election, when Obama made that claim, is fair and thorough. It concludes:

    "Al Qaeda's core leadership has been seriously weakened, but the affiliates remain active, particularly in Yemen and North Africa, where the threat to Western interests and plotting against the homeland remain strong.

    Romney's claim that al Qaeda is in 10 to 12 countries is in the ballpark, and the administration would seem to agree that poses an enormous threat."

    [url="http://www.cnn.com/2012/10/22/politics/fact-check-al-qaeda/
    http://www.cnn.com/2012/10/22/politics/ ... -al-qaeda/[/url]

    Dude, there is no NEW version of Al Qaeda. ISIS came out of Al Qaeda too and if he didn't have his head up his ass and would listen to his advisors, ISIS would not be existent today. Key words on his statement that shows he has no clue, "Al Qaeda's core leadership has been seriously weakened, but the affiliates remain active". You don't claim victory when the enemy still has the will and means to fight. Quit fighting for the TIE! This whole idea of letting someone have dignity after you whip their hiney is wrong, wrong, wrong. We humiliated Germany and especially Japan in WW II and we have no closer allies in the world today than those countries.

    You defeat ISIS and others like them by hitting them at the core of the COGs (centers of gravity) that makes it impossible for them to ever be a player again. Remember Al Sadr and the Mahdi Army in Fallujah or are you old enough to remember that battle? The Marines systematically destroyed this organization to the point that their talking head, Imam Maqtadr Al Sadr is nothing but a blow hard mouthpiece now. Not only once did the Marines go this, but they did it twice in Fallujah, sweeping from one side to another, ensuring that all of the people that got stuff done for Sadr got a dirt nap. That is HOW you deal with terrorist organizations.

    So, not only do you assume that us sending more arms into Syria earlier would have worked out well - what could go wrong? - but now you want total war on the scale of WWII to solve the ISIL problem. Gee, even McCain isn't that nuts.

    How did that Fallujah thing work out for us again, I mean apart from us still having to feed baby food to the Iraqi army? Are you saying we should just stay there forever?

    You assume an put words into my mouth. NO we don't need a 12 million man army to defeat ISIS, just the intestinal fortitude to KILL until the KILLING is done. Fallujah worked out quite well. Ask the Iraqis in that area if the are interested in fighting the Marines again anytime soon. Stay forever? Well, we still have troops in Germany and no opposition there. We still have troops in Japan and no opposition there. What's your point? Obama cut and run based on a political ploy not effective tactics that he overruled his generals on. The job of training that army in Iraq was not done. Obama didn't care.[/quote:2ww2yoi6]

    So much wrong with this - what's the use.

    How many troops do you think it will take to invade Syria and the deal with whatever fall out comes from that? Is Iran next?

    Fallujah turned out well for as long as we didn't turn our backs to move on, and oh yeah, kept cutting checks for the Sunni tribal leaders.

    Yeah, If I was a father of someone in the service now, why would I care if my son was deployed near Berlin or Fallujah - what's the difference, other than one I would plan a vacation to visit him in the summer and the other in the winter?

  19. #19

    Re: ISIS and Free Syrian army coalition

    Quote Originally Posted by The Tradition
    Obama is an idiot who shouldn't even be in charge of a lemonade stand.

    Devastating argument.

    (It's not even happy hour yet.)

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