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Thread: DC Circuit Withdraws Halbig Decision

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    DC Circuit Withdraws Halbig Decision

    DC Circuit will now have a hearing en banc (all 13 judges) - meaning the Liberal led circuit will almost certainly dismiss the case (the prior 3 judge ruling is now null and void for legal purposes).

    Since the 4th circuit shot down a case identical to Halbig - that will mean no conflicts between federal districts on this question of law (whether people living in states w/o exchanges can claim federal subsidies under the ACA).

    The wind up being that without a conflict between districts SCOTUS will almost certainlyu not grant cert until there is a conflict.

    As such, the earliest SCOTUS could hear a challenge to the ACA subsidies language would be at least 2 years - and by then the ACA will be deeply embedded and many low income red state folks will be enjoying access to the subsidies for over 2 years.

    Try taking their subsidies away conservative fan boys after they have had 2 years of decent health care at a reasonable cost. It sure will be fun for socialists to watch conservatives campaigning to get rid of subsidies for so many of their base voters.

    http://www.newrepublic.com/article/1193 ... ing-halbig

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    Re: DC Circuit Withdraws Halbig Decision

    I don't think you know what these words, decent and affordable, really mean.

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    Re: DC Circuit Withdraws Halbig Decision

    I know that for people who cannot afford health insurance the subsidies make it a hell of a lot easier to obtain (see Kentucky and Arkansas for just how many low income folks signed).

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    Re: DC Circuit Withdraws Halbig Decision

    Of Course the most corrupt administration in the HISTORY of the US. will do what ever is necessary to reverse the will of the american people.

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    Re: DC Circuit Withdraws Halbig Decision

    Quote Originally Posted by Brooklyn Nole
    I know that for people who cannot afford health insurance the subsidies make it a hell of a lot easier to obtain (see Kentucky and Arkansas for just how many low income folks signed).
    Wait until they get a look at their deductibles, even with the subsidies.

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    Re: DC Circuit Withdraws Halbig Decision

    Quote Originally Posted by ShaolinNole
    Quote Originally Posted by Brooklyn Nole
    I know that for people who cannot afford health insurance the subsidies make it a hell of a lot easier to obtain (see Kentucky and Arkansas for just how many low income folks signed).
    Wait until they get a look at their deductibles, even with the subsidies.

    Still a hell of lot better then waiting 14 hours in an ER room to see a doctor on a 48 hour shift.

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    Re: DC Circuit Withdraws Halbig Decision

    Wait till the Dollar Crashes, because we the American People, cannot afford this monstrosity.

    17 TRILLION....and Not even Slowing down..... Soon it will feel like the 1800's ...

    NO Entitlements.... because there will be no $$$$$


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    Re: DC Circuit Withdraws Halbig Decision

    Quote Originally Posted by Brooklyn Nole
    DC Circuit will now have a hearing en banc (all 13 judges) - meaning the Liberal led circuit will almost certainly dismiss the case (the prior 3 judge ruling is now null and void for legal purposes).

    Since the 4th circuit shot down a case identical to Halbig - that will mean no conflicts between federal districts on this question of law (whether people living in states w/o exchanges can claim federal subsidies under the ACA).

    The wind up being that without a conflict between districts SCOTUS will almost certainlyu not grant cert until there is a conflict.

    As such, the earliest SCOTUS could hear a challenge to the ACA subsidies language would be at least 2 years - and by then the ACA will be deeply embedded and many low income red state folks will be enjoying access to the subsidies for over 2 years.

    Try taking their subsidies away conservative fan boys after they have had 2 years of decent health care at a reasonable cost. It sure will be fun for socialists to watch conservatives campaigning to get rid of subsidies for so many of their base voters.

    http://www.newrepublic.com/article/1193 ... ing-halbig
    Where did you get your law degree again?

    The SCOTUS takes cases it wants to take; it doesn't matter if 2 circuits agree. Yes, it's more likely to take cases when there is disagreement.

    This is not about affordability, it's about the law how it's written. The only sad thing is that federal rules pretty much limit appeals to what's already in the record. We know the subsidies were designed to be a political stick against the states.

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    Re: DC Circuit Withdraws Halbig Decision

    Do you know how very rare it is that SCOTUS grants cert for an appeal of a FEDERAL case where there is no disagreement between any circuits?

    No? I didn't think so.

    Honestly, I don't care what SCOTUS does with this case. If they kill the appeal - fine by me. If they kill the ACA by ruling that people in states without exchanges cannot claim subsidies - then that crashes the system - which is also fine by me as it will lead to a form of single payer.

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    Re: DC Circuit Withdraws Halbig Decision

    I suspect I know as much or more about how SCOTUS works as you do. Perhaps we should start a poll?

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    Re: DC Circuit Withdraws Halbig Decision

    [quote=Brooklyn Nole]
    Quote Originally Posted by ShaolinNole
    Quote Originally Posted by "Brooklyn Nole":3lum6zh6
    I know that for people who cannot afford health insurance the subsidies make it a hell of a lot easier to obtain (see Kentucky and Arkansas for just how many low income folks signed).
    Wait until they get a look at their deductibles, even with the subsidies.

    Still a hell of lot better then waiting 14 hours in an ER room to see a doctor on a 48 hour shift.[/quote:3lum6zh6]


    Wait until they get a look at the lines in the doctor's office due to the upcoming shortage of medical professionals. And that 2k or so in deductible, following the subsidies, will bankrupt many of the people using the coverage.

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    Re: DC Circuit Withdraws Halbig Decision

    [quote=ShaolinNole]
    Quote Originally Posted by Brooklyn Nole
    Quote Originally Posted by ShaolinNole
    Quote Originally Posted by "Brooklyn Nole":2wkgpxm7
    I know that for people who cannot afford health insurance the subsidies make it a hell of a lot easier to obtain (see Kentucky and Arkansas for just how many low income folks signed).
    Wait until they get a look at their deductibles, even with the subsidies.

    Still a hell of lot better then waiting 14 hours in an ER room to see a doctor on a 48 hour shift.

    Wait until they get a look at the lines in the doctor's office due to the upcoming shortage of medical professionals. And that 2k or so in deductible, following the subsidies, will bankrupt many of the people using the coverage.[/quote:2wkgpxm7]

    Yeah, what makes people think there should be enough docs for everyone? They think this is Europe or Canada?

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    Re: DC Circuit Withdraws Halbig Decision

    [quote=Brooklyn Nole]
    Quote Originally Posted by ShaolinNole
    Quote Originally Posted by "Brooklyn Nole":a970no0y
    I know that for people who cannot afford health insurance the subsidies make it a hell of a lot easier to obtain (see Kentucky and Arkansas for just how many low income folks signed).
    Wait until they get a look at their deductibles, even with the subsidies.

    Still a hell of lot better then waiting 14 hours in an ER room to see a doctor on a 48 hour shift.[/quote:a970no0y]


    Its "than" you ignorant yankee. And you call southerners illiterate. Geez.
    Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities.


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    Re: DC Circuit Withdraws Halbig Decision

    Quote Originally Posted by wordjazz
    Quote Originally Posted by ShaolinNole
    Wait until they get a look at the lines in the doctor's office due to the upcoming shortage of medical professionals. And that 2k or so in deductible, following the subsidies, will bankrupt many of the people using the coverage.
    Yeah, what makes people think there should be enough docs for everyone? They think this is Europe or Canada?
    Cause twisting a knee in Canada may take 6 months to get seriously looked at or worked on?

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    Re: DC Circuit Withdraws Halbig Decision

    [quote=NoleGrad83]
    Quote Originally Posted by Brooklyn Nole
    Quote Originally Posted by ShaolinNole
    Quote Originally Posted by "Brooklyn Nole":2rnglowt
    I know that for people who cannot afford health insurance the subsidies make it a hell of a lot easier to obtain (see Kentucky and Arkansas for just how many low income folks signed).
    Wait until they get a look at their deductibles, even with the subsidies.

    Still a hell of lot better then waiting 14 hours in an ER room to see a doctor on a 48 hour shift.

    Its "than" you ignorant yankee. And you call southerners illiterate. Geez.[/quote:2rnglowt]


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    Wait until there's a 2 class system of doctors - those that take insurance, and those that don't. I wonder which class the best and brightest doctors will serve? Some enterprising doctors will buy a resort island somewhere and create medical tourism. I know there are several large, famous US practices doing that in Europe already.

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    Re: DC Circuit Withdraws Halbig Decision

    Quote Originally Posted by Guckster
    Wait till the Dollar Crashes, because we the American People, cannot afford this monstrosity.

    17 TRILLION....and Not even Slowing down..... Soon it will feel like the 1800's ...

    NO Entitlements.... because there will be no $$$$$

    And a big chunk of those people are like me who wish we had gone with single-payer. And another big chunk like their state exchange but dislike the ACA...because they don't know what they're talking about. So take your 53% with a mountain of salt.
    "The transition from democracy to tyranny is most easily brought about by a popular leader who knows how to exploit the class antagonism between the rich and the poor within the democratic state, and who succeeds in building up a bodyguard of a private army of his own. The people who have hailed him first as the champion of freedom are soon enslaved."

    -From Things Plato Never Said

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    Re: DC Circuit Withdraws Halbig Decision

    Quote Originally Posted by finance85
    Wait until there's a 2 class system of doctors - those that take insurance, and those that don't. I wonder which class the best and brightest doctors will serve? Some enterprising doctors will buy a resort island somewhere and create medical tourism. I know there are several large, famous US practices doing that in Europe already.
    Could you explain how that would be different from what already existed? Are you seriously claiming that everyone had access to the very best care until the ACA came along? Seriously?
    "The transition from democracy to tyranny is most easily brought about by a popular leader who knows how to exploit the class antagonism between the rich and the poor within the democratic state, and who succeeds in building up a bodyguard of a private army of his own. The people who have hailed him first as the champion of freedom are soon enslaved."

    -From Things Plato Never Said

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    Re: DC Circuit Withdraws Halbig Decision

    Everyone who wanted to pay for it did indeed have access to the very best care.

    Liberals expect everyone to get something for nothing.

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    Re: DC Circuit Withdraws Halbig Decision

    Quote Originally Posted by The Tradition
    Everyone who could afford it did indeed have access to the very best care.

    Liberals expect everyone to get something for nothing.
    So there was a tiered system of health care previously...thanks for backing me up.
    "The transition from democracy to tyranny is most easily brought about by a popular leader who knows how to exploit the class antagonism between the rich and the poor within the democratic state, and who succeeds in building up a bodyguard of a private army of his own. The people who have hailed him first as the champion of freedom are soon enslaved."

    -From Things Plato Never Said

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