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Thread: U.S. and Iran Unlikely Allies in Iraq Battle

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    U.S. and Iran Unlikely Allies in Iraq Battle

    Interesting story, but it ignores the fact that we helped install an Iraqi National government led by shia leaders who took long refuge in Iran during its decade long trench warfare with iraq. It was no mistake that iranian leaders were greeted by parades in post Saddam iraq.


    BAGHDAD With American bombs raining down from the sky, Shiite militia fighters aligned with Iran battled Sunni extremists over the weekend, punching through their defenses to break the weekslong siege of Amerli, a cluster of farming villages whose Shiite residents faced possible slaughter.

    The fight in northern Iraq appeared to be the first time American warplanes and militias backed by Iran had worked with a common purpose on a battlefield against militants from the Islamic State in Iraq and Syria, even though the Obama administration said there was no direct coordination with the militias.

    Should such military actions continue, they could signal a dramatic shift for the United States and Iran, which have long vied for control in Iraq. They could also align the interests of the Americans with their longtime sworn enemies in the Shiite militias, whose fighters killed many United States soldiers during the long occupation of Iraq.

    The latest expansion of American military operations reflects how seriously Iraq has deteriorated since the withdrawal of American forces in 2011. But any decision to support the Shiite militias, who have proven more adept than the American-trained Iraqi Army, would come with its own set of challenges....


    http://mobile.nytimes.com/2014/09/01/wo ... ?referrer=

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    Re: U.S. and Iran Unlikely Allies in Iraq Battle

    Iraq installed their own leaders by VOTING, not by what we did and it would only seem to be par for the course that the Shia would hold the majority of leadership positions within the government due to the fact that the Shia population in Iraq is 60 percent of the overall population in said country.

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    Re: U.S. and Iran Unlikely Allies in Iraq Battle

    Sixty percent of the population telling g the other forty how to live is not democracy. In a democracy there are protections for the minorities to make sure their rights are being respected. That did not happen in Iraq.

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    Re: U.S. and Iran Unlikely Allies in Iraq Battle

    Quote Originally Posted by Pacedog
    Iraq installed their own leaders by VOTING, not by what we did and it would only seem to be par for the course that the Shia would hold the majority of leadership positions within the government due to the fact that the Shia population in Iraq is 60 percent of the overall population in said country.
    True, but without our essentially fighting a proxy war for Iran at a cost of 4,000 lives tens of thousands maimed, and $3 trillion Iraq is not run by people who spent 10 years hiding in Iran.

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    Re: U.S. and Iran Unlikely Allies in Iraq Battle

    Quote Originally Posted by PYnole
    Sixty percent of the population telling g the other forty how to live is not democracy. In a democracy there are protections for the minorities to make sure their rights are being respected. That did not happen in Iraq.
    Uh VOTING is democracy. We have a minority of this country who is telling the rest of us that the Democratic way to do things was the right thing to do in 2008 and 2012. There were more people that voted for Obama's opponents or did not vote that voted for the ONE. So, with your logic, the people who didn't vote and voted for McCain and Romney have a case for appealing Obamacare based on the logic that few people should not tell the rest of us what to do? AMIRITE?

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    Re: U.S. and Iran Unlikely Allies in Iraq Battle

    Quote Originally Posted by wordjazz
    Quote Originally Posted by Pacedog
    Iraq installed their own leaders by VOTING, not by what we did and it would only seem to be par for the course that the Shia would hold the majority of leadership positions within the government due to the fact that the Shia population in Iraq is 60 percent of the overall population in said country.
    True, but without our essentially fighting a proxy war for Iran at a cost of 4,000 lives tens of thousands maimed, and $3 trillion Iraq is not run by people who spent 10 years hiding in Iran.

    Proxy war? You are stoned.

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    Re: U.S. and Iran Unlikely Allies in Iraq Battle

    Shias got shat on from 1971 until Saddam was toppled in 2003. Letting Iraqis vote in elected leaders is NOT taking protections from the minority.

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    Re: U.S. and Iran Unlikely Allies in Iraq Battle

    Quote Originally Posted by Pacedog
    Quote Originally Posted by wordjazz
    Quote Originally Posted by Pacedog
    Iraq installed their own leaders by VOTING, not by what we did and it would only seem to be par for the course that the Shia would hold the majority of leadership positions within the government due to the fact that the Shia population in Iraq is 60 percent of the overall population in said country.
    True, but without our essentially fighting a proxy war for Iran at a cost of 4,000 lives tens of thousands maimed, and $3 trillion Iraq is not run by people who spent 10 years hiding in Iran.

    Proxy war? You are stoned.
    The biggest beneficiary of our war in Iraq was Iran.

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    Re: U.S. and Iran Unlikely Allies in Iraq Battle

    Not so much as we are the hegemon in the region that keeps them in check along with the other Gulf states and we have them surrounded with bases.

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    Re: U.S. and Iran Unlikely Allies in Iraq Battle

    Us being on a war footing in the region only hurts their ability to be aggressive towards nations like Bharain, Qatar, UAE, Saudi....

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    Re: U.S. and Iran Unlikely Allies in Iraq Battle

    Quote Originally Posted by PYnole
    Sixty percent of the population telling g the other forty how to live is not democracy. In a democracy there are protections for the minorities to make sure their rights are being respected. That did not happen in Iraq.
    Democracy vs. Representative Republic

    Our system looked pretty good for a long time.

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    Re: U.S. and Iran Unlikely Allies in Iraq Battle

    Quote Originally Posted by Pacedog
    Not so much as we are the hegemon in the region that keeps them in check along with the other Gulf states and we have them surrounded with bases.

    With that and $3 you can buy a Starbucks, while Iran got rid of their biggest opponent and for free, while it and China reap the trade benefits. Hey, maybe now we get to prop up Syria with all our regional armaments! Such a deal!

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    Re: U.S. and Iran Unlikely Allies in Iraq Battle

    Quote Originally Posted by wordjazz
    Quote Originally Posted by Pacedog
    Not so much as we are the hegemon in the region that keeps them in check along with the other Gulf states and we have them surrounded with bases.

    With that and $3 you can buy a Starbucks, while Iran got rid of their biggest opponent and for free, while it and China reap the trade benefits. Hey, maybe now we get to prop up Syria with all our regional armaments! Such a deal!

    You're really hitting the bong early I see. This isn't the 80s bro.

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