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Thread: Judge rules Utah's polygamy ban in unconstitutional

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    Judge rules Utah's polygamy ban in unconstitutional

    A judge has ruled that parts of Utah's law banning polygamy are unconstitutional, effectively decriminalizing the practice, in a victory for the family that appears in the reality TV show 'Sister Wives'.

    Kody Brown, who stars in the TLC reality show with his four wives, filed a lawsuit against the state after leaving Utah fearing prosecution after the programme aired.

    Now a federal judge has issued his final ruling in the case that strikes down parts of the state's anti-polygamy law.

    U.S. District Judge Clark Waddoups has ruled that a provision of Utah's law forbidding cohabitation violated the Browns' freedom of religion.

    He ruled in favour of the family in December and has now said that Mr Brown and his wives can collect attorneys' fees.


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    Re: Judge rules Utah's polygamy ban in unconstitutional

    Conservatives should love this pro freedom ruling.

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    Re: Judge rules Utah's polygamy ban in unconstitutional

    I do. It's horrible how this country stomped all over the Mormons' religious freedom.

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    Re: Judge rules Utah's polygamy ban in unconstitutional

    Actually - Utah voluntarily decided to make polygamy illegal in order to gain entrance into the Union.

    It was a voluntary act by the people of Utah - not one compelled by the Feds.

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    Re: Judge rules Utah's polygamy ban in unconstitutional

    Quid pro quo is not a voluntary act.

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    Re: Judge rules Utah's polygamy ban in unconstitutional

    No one held a gun to their head to take the deal Trad.

    It was a freely entered into exchange.

    I bet their are lots of Mormons who regret taking that deal too.

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    Re: Judge rules Utah's polygamy ban in unconstitutional

    A contract that is executed under duress is not a valid contract.

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    Re: Judge rules Utah's polygamy ban in unconstitutional

    What duress?

    Did the Feds threaten to invade Utah if they didn't outlaw polygamy?

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    Re: Judge rules Utah's polygamy ban in unconstitutional

    So he wins the right to have four wives.

    And how exactly is that a victory?

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    Re: Judge rules Utah's polygamy ban in unconstitutional

    They refused to admit them into the union unless they did that, right?

    "If you don't do this, we'll leave you out here in the wilderness with no army to protect you from the wild indians."

    You don't think that's duress?

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    Re: Judge rules Utah's polygamy ban in unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by RockyMtNole
    So he wins the right to have four wives.

    And how exactly is that a victory?

    I know, right.

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    Re: Judge rules Utah's polygamy ban in unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by The Tradition
    They refused to admit them into the union unless they did that, right?

    "If you don't do this, we'll leave you out here in the wilderness with no army to protect you from the wild indians."

    You don't think that's duress?

    No, that is not duress. It was Utah that wanted to join the Union so Utah had to comply with terms.

    Utah could have exercised their cherished freedom and not agreed to the terms. Certainly the US did not threaten any punishment of Utsh if they decided to not join the Union.

    So unless you can show that the US threatened to take action for Utah not outlawing polygamy you're talking out your ass.

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    Re: Judge rules Utah's polygamy ban in unconstitutional

    Google "history of Utah," Brook. The feds sent troops to remove Brigham Young from the position of territorial governor, and federal marshals were assigned to punish and harass polygamists, confiscate church property, jail polygamists and deny jury trials or voting rights to all polygamists.

    That's not threatening in your world view?

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    Re: Judge rules Utah's polygamy ban in unconstitutional

    I googled, but did not see anything confirming that US Marshals punished and harassed polygamists, confiscated church property, jailed polygamists and denied jury trials or voting rights to all polygamists.

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    Re: Judge rules Utah's polygamy ban in unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Brooklyn Nole
    I googled, but did not see anything confirming that US Marshals punished and harassed polygamists, confiscated church property, jailed polygamists and denied jury trials or voting rights to all polygamists.
    Considering I plagiarized that sentence, you didn't look very hard.

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    Re: Judge rules Utah's polygamy ban in unconstitutional

    What you plagiarized was that the US sent troops for those purposes.

    But being sent to do a mission is not the same as actually doing it.

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    Re: Judge rules Utah's polygamy ban in unconstitutional

    Mormons evacuated Salt Lake City before the troops arrived. It's hard to harass people if they're gone. However, the harassment still happened because people were forced to flee their homes and fields, losing almost an entire year of crops and improvements to their homesteads.

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    Re: Judge rules Utah's polygamy ban in unconstitutional

    Did the ruling determine the ban was unconstitutional, or just that they can't charge cohabitating people with polygamy? I'm assuming that he's only legally married to one of the women and that hasn't changed.
    King Jackass

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    Re: Judge rules Utah's polygamy ban in unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Belem
    Did the ruling determine the ban was unconstitutional, or just that they can't charge cohabitating people with polygamy? I'm assuming that he's only legally married to one of the women and that hasn't changed.
    That's correct. He still can't hold multiple marriage licenses.

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    Re: Judge rules Utah's polygamy ban in unconstitutional

    2 things.

    1. If the Petitioner cannot hold multiple marriage licenses then polygamy is still illegal.

    2. Thank you for conceding that the federal troops did nothing which you originally argued they did. See, it's crap like that which torpedoes your own point.

    Why not just come out and say the Mormons ran for the hills - instead giving the utterly false impression that the Feds rounded them up and persecuted them?

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