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    Democrats in denial: ObamaCare clearly killing jobs

    Democrats in denial: ObamaCare clearly killing jobs



    Fear of the truth.

    It is often said that liberals donít understand economic incentives. If they did, itís presumed, they would have known that ObamaCare would destroy jobs by making labor more expensive.

    I donít think itís true that they donít understand how these incentives work. As two items in the news the past week demonstrate, they understand the incentives perfectly well except when theyíre too invested in denying the truth about them.

    Last week, I wrote about the Cadillac Tax, which essentially the Democratsí attempt to eliminate ďtoo goodĒ health insurance by levying a punitive tax on companies who provide more generous benefits than Democrats prefer. When they included the Cadillac Tax in ObamaCare, Democrats understood exactly what they were doing. They were trying to eliminate something they donít like by adding to the cost of that thing.

    So yes, Democrats know: Make something more expensive, and people will do with less of it.

    The problem, however, is that ObamaCare does exactly the same thing with respect to the cost of labor in general. By mandating that employers provide health insurance for everyone who works 30 hours a week or more, and by insisting on standards for said insurance beyond what many employers would choose if left to their own devices, Democrats have made it more expensive to procure the services of labor.

    The result, as the Wall Street Journal reported on Friday, has been entirely predictable:

    In the Philadelphia area, 18 percent of employers are cutting employees (compared with only 3 percent who are adding), and a similar 18 percent is shifting the composition of its workforce to more part-time workers as a result of ObamaCare.
    In New York State, 21 percent of manufacturers and 16 percent of service firms are reducing employment specifically because of ObamaCare.
    In the Atlanta area, 34 percent of businesses plan to hire more part-time workers than in the past.
    Why is this happening? That isnít even hard. What did I just tell you about incentives? When you make something cost more, people will get by with less of it. No matter how much liberals try to insist ObamaCare is not the cost of it, we know that it is and the companies themselves are telling us it is.

    So then: How can they possibly deny it? Weíve already demonstrated that they can understand how economic incentives work. They are only too happy to use them when it suits their purposes. Yet they donít understand that job-killing incentives are at work in the details of ObamaCare to kill jobs?

    That makes no sense.

    Unless: People have a powerful (and not very helpful) ability to disregard what they should clearly understand if they donít want to understand it. Consider Democratsí reactions to news stories this past week about President Obama going off to play golf after commenting on the murder of James Foley by ISIS. Republican criticisms of Obama for this? Why, they were purely political and completely illegitimate! Yet when George W. Bush played golf during crucial battles in Iraq, they were making the same criticisms. You could say this just shows theyíre hypocrites, but I think in many cases they desperately want to believe there is nothing wrong with things Obama does, even though they blasted Bush for doing the same things.

    They want that desperately enough to convince themselves that Obama was right and Bush was wrong. How do you deal with the obvious inconsistency? You simply wallow in denial.

    Thatís what theyíre doing with respect to the destruction of jobs by ObamaCare. Theyíre wallowing in denial. Theyíre entirely capable of understanding whatís really happening. They just donít want to understand it. (And you had better believe they donít want you to understand it.)

    I actually saw Obama asked about whatís happening in the job market, and he responded dismissively, ďThatís not because of the Affordable Care Act. Thatís because of other factors.Ē

    Oh? And what other factors would he have in mind? None. Not that it would matter anyway. Obama doesnít believe ObamaCare is killing jobs because Obama doesnít want to believe that. So he wallows in denial.

    Surely youíve seen this in your own life. Youíve seen people going broke, but in denial. People trapped in addiction, but in denial. People losing their marriages, or in trouble in their jobs, or needing desperately to change their diets . . . but in denial. The truth is obvious to everyone else, but they donít see it Ė not because theyíre not capable of seeing it, but because they simply donít want to.

    Thatís the Democratsí view of ObamaCare in a nutshell. Donít expect them to acknowledge the negative impacts of the law. They wonít, because they donít want to. It seems astonishing until you recognize the human capacity to disregard what is plainly obvious and easily understood.

    You donít help yourself when you act in fear of the truth.

    http://www.caintv.com/delusional-democrats-afraid-of

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    Re: Democrats in denial: ObamaCare clearly killing jobs

    oBama care is killing the US. It has done more harm than than any other single policy in the history of the united states.

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    Re: Democrats in denial: ObamaCare clearly killing jobs

    Quote Originally Posted by FSU_Jeep
    oBama care is killing the US. It has done more harm than than any other single policy in the history of the united states.
    THAT is a feature not a glitch
    Generally speakiní: You ainít learniní nothing when youíre the one doiní the talkin

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    Re: Democrats in denial: ObamaCare clearly killing jobs

    Thatís the Democratsí view of ObamaCare in a nutshell. Donít expect them to acknowledge the negative impacts of the law. They wonít, because they donít want to. It seems astonishing until you recognize the human capacity to disregard what is plainly obvious and easily understood.
    Let's see them try and deny the fact that our income has been cut $7,000 ..... per year ...... starting this year as a direct consequence of that damn law all because of that stupidly thought out 30 hour work week provision.

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    Re: Democrats in denial: ObamaCare clearly killing jobs

    The end justifies the means. It was simply unacceptable that a few million people couldn't get insurance, that many more million people chose not to have insurance "because of cost", and that everyone wasn't supporting the system.

    There were also a few liberals who knew exactly what the goal was, and the consequences were very well intended.

    29 hour week serves many purposes. It helps the unemployment headline number. It forces many people onto the government exchanges because they can't afford insurance any other way. It increases the "income gap", which is now a political buzzword.

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    No the end does not justify the means. Aside from the lies used to sell that damn law ie avg premiums will decrease by $2500 and to cover 40 million which has turned out to be far less with many of those 8 million in Obamacare there b/c they had their insurance canceled where does it say people's standard of living should significantly decreased.

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    Re: Democrats in denial: ObamaCare clearly killing jobs

    Quote Originally Posted by Bill From Tampa
    No the end does not justify the means. Aside from the lies used to sell that damn law ie avg premiums will decrease by $2500 and to cover 40 million which has turned out to be far less with many of those 8 million in Obamacare there b/c they had their insurance canceled where does it say people's standard of living should significantly decreased.
    When I said the end justifies the means, that was their (liberal) rationale, not mine. Of course they used lies to sell it. There was no way it would have been acceptable to the American people if the truth was told.

    Remember, surveys showed that roughly 87% of people were satisfied with their health care before Obamacare passed. That presumably includes health insurance.

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    Re: Democrats in denial: ObamaCare clearly killing jobs

    Both econonomists and the CBO have found that the law has had a minimal impact on job creation or job loss. The fact is that there simply isn't much evidence which shows that the ACA is killing jobs beyond the anecdotal evidence that the GOP is forced to rely on.

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    Re: Democrats in denial: ObamaCare clearly killing jobs

    That is simply not true and as was mentioned before in the thread only denial in the supporters of that damn law. I clearly have evidence how the ACA has affected jobs. When an employer tells us that they are limiting hours as a direct result of the ACA you do not need much more proof than that. That practice has now spread to around the country in our industry. It would not be surprising or hard to find it in other industries as well. To claim it has no impact on jobs by those economists or the CBO, well they clearly did not do a very good job of researching.

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    Re: Democrats in denial: ObamaCare clearly killing jobs

    And this is why I wrote "anecdotal." A few employers have scaled back jobs, but overall, the effect is quite minimal and certainly not the widespread job killer that the GOP desperately wants the law to be.

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    Re: Democrats in denial: ObamaCare clearly killing jobs

    You need to look for your mind, Huey,... it is apparently lost.

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    Re: Democrats in denial: ObamaCare clearly killing jobs

    30 is the new 40

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    Re: Democrats in denial: ObamaCare clearly killing jobs

    Quote Originally Posted by The Tradition
    30 is the new 40
    29 is the new 40.

    The problem with economists talking about "lost" or uncreated jobs is they have no way to measure something that didn't happen. The only way to know with any kind of certainty is to poll each and every business to find out how they made hiring decisions, and very few businesses would share that information.

    The CBO simply computes based on assumptions provided to them by Congress. Results are only as good as assumptions, and I doubt anyone here really thinks Congress is adept at that.

    We do know this has been the slowest economic recovery in US history. We also know the average workweek has remained unchanged at 34 hours per week for a very long time, meaning there are more part time jobs being created than full time jobs (over time).

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    Re: Democrats in denial: ObamaCare clearly killing jobs

    A few employers have scaled back jobs, but overall, the effect is quite minimal and certainly not the widespread job killer that the GOP desperately wants the law to be.
    I guarantee you that if it isn't every single college and university that have adopted this absurd 30 hour work week provision it is darn close to 100%. Before it hit us at the start of the year I was hearing about schools doing this probably two years ago.

    That is hardly just a few employers.

    I am not going to speak about other industries but I know what is going on in our industry. It only logical that other businesses in other industries would be doing the same.

    And now in some cases students are finding out they can't take from the instructor they want to take from b/c the teacher has reached his credit hour limit which in our case means an adjunct can teach a max of four students in that major in a semester. That's it, just four students. In a few cases we have lost students b/c of that. It is an absurd rule.

    The clowns that wrote that damn law had no clue just how deep the affects from that thing would go. Typical for politicians.

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